Well, not basically, they did. Katrina gun confiscation showed us what any civil conflict will have as the belligerents, LEOs / Feds posing as LEOs giving you a hard choice.and a few Bundy-style standoffs. Illinois gun owners should pack up and move across the Mississippi to Missouri. Youve just restated Bill Rugers justification for selling out gun-rights so he could keep his company viable. I would sell the xd .45 and the xdm 9mm I already have but I dont think there is much of a market for them now. You are both dead to me now. It is the fault of the people in Illinois. With all the gun control in northern Illinois how the hell can they screw all of us like this! I think sometimes its just because they are new to the hobby of guns. Glad I waited. Ben Franklin once said, If we do not hang together, we shall surely hang separately.. Thats bad math and bad leadership. Any I have to ask WHY? One dealer told me hes pulling Springfield product from his shelves to give his salespeople a break from carping customers. Just to be clear, they are using the name of the original company of Springfield, but they are not located in the city of Springfield. This is going to be really bad for RRA and Springfield. Be everywhere until the bill is toast. If theres a silver lining here, this law should be shot down by the courts. There never was a Henry fi rearms company (until 2002). Thanks a bunch pricks! THEY MUST PARISH AND EVERYONE WHO DOESNT BACK ME IM GONNA CURSE AT AND BE MEAN TO!!! Compare. What flavor is it, and how much do you want? As an Illinois dealer, I will no longer stock, sell or support Rock River Arms or Springfield Armory products. Until I see some evidence that they knew of and/or supported this I will not rush to blame RRA for what a trade industry group that they happen to fund did. A corrupt Illinois politician. Hislobbyist will continue to fight and protect dealers and gun owners? If it is a 16" it is 5.56, which the Entry Tactical is. Tony- IFMA is SAs and RRAs lobbying firm(as opposed to an existing firm that SA hired. The CMMG MkW-15 XBE Anvil gets the top pick for enthusiasts that handload or shoot a lot. When I found out that they hire Vets to assemble and test them, it was icing on the cake and I got one for low $400s. They use forged parts and at least the Chinese are honest to let you know where the parts come from (China) whereas with Springfield it is a toss-up where the parts are made (I heard from Taiwan, Canada, even the Czech Republic!!). Wrong. And I believe it came with an internal lock on the main spring housing. I can promise that none, and I mean none of my not unsubstantial refund, is going to wind up in Springfields receivables account. This isnt really about the law itself. Had it in the cart at buds ready to buy tomorrow and now it definitely is not going to happen. Sadly, some of the collar county Repubs arent so much. Hes told several industry types that he had no contact with IFMA lobbyist Jay Keller and knew nothing of this carve-out. I had some AR parts on order a few days before Sands Hook. I was just about to order another springfield xdm .45. The original company lives on today under the name Winche ster. Boom. Out of stock. So, if youre looking for a cheap AR-15, Rock River Arms probably isnt the best option. had I known earlier, I might have bought a few more colt revolvers..god I wish Id known. Cant this fool see how much this is going to hes going to hurt his own pocketbook for this tiny edge? Initially I was willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, but after I thought about Reeses statement, and now that Ive seen Larsons statement, I would have liked to see hecklers run Springfields employees right out of Atlanta. WebRock River Arms LAR-15 LEF-T 5.56mm Tactical Operator AR-15 Left-Handed Rifle Notify Me When Available; Brand: Rock River Arms; Item Number: LH1278; Rock River Arms LAR15 This is how capitalism works. Enjoy shooting it, and the second one if you buy one. Bummer, I was considering a Springfield 1911 at some point. Fight it. Its enough of a turnaround that I forgive their earlier sins.. The NRA would likely throw you and your fliers in the dumpster. So I got the mags from a third party seller and have refused to do business with them ever since. I think a hit to Springfield sales should get them leaning on the IFMA (who should be facing a hit to subscribers) enough for the IFMA to not fold in the future. Tennessee welcomed Beretta with open arms and the employment of a lot a lot of people in well-paying jobs. Thanks Springfield. As for furniture, the BT 9 R9 Competition comes with a Hogue overmolded pistol grip and a four-position adjustable Rock River Arms buttstock. Im a New Yorker. Springfield makes decent guns but there are others out there. Personally hate to hear whenever CEOs or head honchos make public decisions costing their employees jobs/money. This is income tax refund time. So thats a reason for ignoring the fact that Ruger basically wrote the assault weapons ban? Shocking I know. At the same time, Rock River Arms began to build AR-15 style rifles. Rock River Arms also produces M1911 pattern pistols, bolt-action rifles, and AR-15 style pistols in assorted calibers. [5] [6] Should have just stuck to the point that hey, you can do anything you want to our dealers as long as you leave us out of it. But when you have a muti million dollar company thats set up in a state thats you cant just pick up and move then you do what you have to do to survive. So many good options, why buy from jackasses. Maybe then you can explain it to the pussy who wrote this article. Springfield Armory had two, and their now-fired lobbyist held the fourth IFMA directorship. Since you researched IFMA you also noticed that the $100K was the ONLY money they had in their account, donated by only two companies, SAI and RRA. Even being on this site makes you a hypocrite because TTAG regularly advertised for Glock, S&W and Springfield. Heres a basic synopsis of the original company; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winchester_Repeating_Arms_Company#Early_history. Rock River Arms is one of the largest manufacturers of AR-15 rifles in the United States. Bill may not have been perfect (who is), but his passion for firearms was solid and he was known as Americas Gunmaker, for good reasons. RRA and Springfield can suck my dong, they will never get a penny from me. Rock River booth at the NRA convention, owner Chuck Larson has professed innocence in the matter. Last trip to the range, ran a couple hundred rounds of all flavors through it without an FTE/FTF. In fact, I own a Springfield M1A Scout Squad that they gave me free of charge after I encountered a series of malfunctions with an old SAR8. The innovation and embracing of modern ideas weve seen the last 10yrs (MSRs, suppressors, polymer everything, etc) never would have happened under Bill. Lobbying groups run on a lot of assumptions and they dont take a vote from membership every time a change is made to a bill that they think concerns their members. I buy and shoot a lot of guns, and this includes SA models, but I have put them on notice that I will never buy another unless they make this right. And whats worse, if it passes, Bloomberg will attempt to duplicate this legislation in all 50 states. I just bought a DDM4V11 in January at an unheard of, low price of $1369. (3) Rock River Arms LAR-15 Tactical CAR A4 223 Remington/5.56 NATO Carbine $ 684.99. After the event I hadnt seen a shipping notification. chamber also differ from the 5.56 mm NATO chamber The company makes a wide variety of weapons, If Rauner is serious about re-election he will veto this flaming sack of shite. Send a signal to IL Senators and the Governor that supporting the bill is politically a trainwreck. I checked my order history. The Ruger is berween $6-700. it Because of rumors of canceled orders. Come to find out the guy had paid triple for the supply to be trucked in so people could have them. Nothing unethical about this practice. Keyboard commandos wont fight it out on any battlefield. Very close to where I grew up. I think that if gun owners boycotted every company into oblivion that had to compromise at some point there wouldnt be any gun manufacturers around. They hate freedom and absolutely love all powerful Government. The more concentrated the producers and sellers of firearms becomes the easier it will be to controlled and monitored. Gun owners should have bankrupted Ruger immediately, but they didnt. SA created it). Kahr moved out of NY. If they pull funding from the group well have some decent evidence that they didnt and dont support this carve out and are catching crap for something which they had no part in creating. They rebrand the HS2000 as the XD and jack up the price $200. I wanted one with the threaded barrel and suppressor sights. Bill Ruger retired from the company in 2000 and died in 2002. Ive spoken with a couple of bigger dealers in Illinois in the past 24 hours. Its not difficult. The company SHOULD be boycotted even if they shuffle management. they should have fought not laid over. Rock River Arms had one seat. Oh, hell no, he told me. It weighs 10.2 pounds empty and is 43.5 inches long. I wont name them, but the sales people at certain companies worked hard (and maybe even fudged some dates on paperwork) to make sure that I got my magazines before the deadline in the law hit. We want our dealers and our valued customers to know we wont ever do anything like this again., We fully support the Second Amendment and stand by it. After his passing, a new leadership took over the company with many positive results. I posted a similar comment on another article about the same subject matter, but again, and for emphasis: SPRINGFIELD IS DEAD TO ME. I am not positive, but didnt Beretta get so pissed with Maryland that they moved everything, or is it still on going? WebProduct Description. Ive bought 4 guns in the last year and a half since they opened their store. I am happy with my Polytech. The local ones are more like highway bandits than gun dealers. This rifle is fed by a 10-round AICS-pattern detachable box magazine. The plant where that rifle is made revitalized the area n which it is made. What opinion? Yes, a company can move and thrive, as it only a matter of time before the cutout is removed and they are closed down. Im not ordering anything Springfield. If workers still want a job, its a reasonable commute. Such a thing exists. Well, now. Great gun. Are you aware it was Bill Ruger who testified before Congress that nobody needs more than 10 rounds? S&W was owned by a British company who were forced to sell their company for pennies on the dollar. Watch the TonyBen videos on YouTube. You can not name another firearms manufacture today that has done more than Ruger to support the NRA, the 2A and firearms owners. This is a digital day/night scope. (This is in response to Mark). A big reason that these rifles shoot so well is the barrel. The barrels Rock River use come from the Connecticut-based company, Wilson Arms (wilsonarms.com). Wilson makes the barrel, contours it and starts the chambering process. Good grip, low muzzle flip/recoil, ambi controls, no mag safety and very easy to strip/reassemble. business or not your customers are your lively hood. We need to defend our legacy from the likes of them !! An American didnt screw all other American gun-owners. Also, RRA derives the bulk of its money from government and LE contracts so youll have a really hard time bankrupting them with a civvie sales boycott. Taurus? The Henry ri fle was made by the New Haven Ar ms Company. I have a BM-59 kit that still needs to be built. Anytown on I80 feels like the Chicago area to the downstaters. The future for firearms manufacturers is less than certain due to falling demand and moving a 50year old corporation like SA out of state is a huge expenditure. I dont think the current owner is going to make that same mistake although I wish they would just stop putting in that stupid lock already. All businesses are licensed at the state level. If RRA really didnt know about this, then their next steps should be to cancel their membership in IFMA, denounce the lobying they did, and maybe start looking to move. Rock River Arms is a firearms manufacturer located in Colona, Illinois. However, again I wasnt really in the market to add anything else from their company to my safe anyway. Rock River Arms has built a reputation as a quality maker of modern sporting rifles and offers an extremely diverse list of models and options. Bullshit. They fixed the old rifle, returned it to me and offered me the M1A for all the troubles I had experienced. I have talked to people in person in TN that were overjoyed at having Beretta move there. Never a single problem, thousands of rounds. It happens ALL THE TIME, and with companies much larger than RRA. Thank God we have a Rural King now here local. The law doesnt get past the senate without Springfields cooperation. Oh yes, Illinois folks: start an ACTIVE campaign outing all the IL Representatives that voted for the bill. Yes, that is the cloud which is usually much larger than the silver lining. IFMAs Keller testified in March at the Illinois Senate Judiciary committee of his willingness to consider dropping the lobbying groupsopposition to the bill if his clients were exempted. If truth about guns knows whats good for them, theyll be taking this story down and apologizing publicly for spreading untrue assumptions. FREE SHIPPING on orders over $90! CTD are dirtbags plain and simple. I hope that it will bankrupt them, for it appears to be the only way these gun companies will learned to to alienate their comsumers. There are more corrupt justices out their than honest ones. You should buy a BCM, Daniel Defense, or LWRC. Springfield Armory is a dishonest operation from stem to stern. How many model airplanes can I buy, sell or trade in one year? Its enough of a turnaround that I forgive their earlier sins. Id say they are a step above most other production 1911s. So I have to ask. So an opportunity to block others selling in Illinois seemed like a quick and dirty way to make a few more bucks. Springfield Armory *deserves* to be pitchforked and torched. http://www.nbcnews.com/id/28141995/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/t/illinois-has-long-legacy-public-corruption/, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_state_and_local_politicians_convicted_of_crimes. You see once you jump in bed with the marketing types and throw millions at image you quickly discover that your rudder fell off long ago and now youre not sure what you stand forif anything. You ask what was Springfield supposed to do? Cant beat that! Rock Solid: Rock River Arms NSP CAR Rifle. Damage done. I bought a RRA rifle back in 2012. All things considered, a Henry Big Boy in .44mag is more likely to see the inside of my safe than a M1A1. ! mantra. Rock River Arms has a reputation for making high quality AR-15s, but they also have a reputation for being expensive. Thats how capitalism works. Join up with other interest groups if common goals can be found. Several other really good CCs out there too if you want one of the big mfgs. James Jeffrey, the author's friend, When the Maryland Leftistlature passed the odious Gun Safety Act of 2013, making it illegal to purchase many of the firearms made by the venerable Beretta concern, they responded by building their new facility in Tennessee, giving Maryland a stalwart raised middle finger and taking a considerable amount of tax revenue with them.. Ive not the least doubt that the rest of Beretta will eventually follow. I was just about to purchase a 1911 with the deal Springfield is running this week. If signed into law, the bill his lobbyist declined to oppose will drive many dealers out of business with its onerous and expensive restrictions and requirements. Beretta (ex-MD) and Remington (ex-NY) make your statements look foolish. Rock River Arms has built a reputation as a quality maker of modern sporting rifles and offers an extremely diverse list of models and options. Thanks for Nothing SA. Rock River Arms is an American manufacturer of firearms that was founded in 1996. Rock River Arms earned their reputation by manufacturing some of the most accurate and reliable semi-auto rifles for the law enforcement and civilian markets. Smith and Wessons deal with the Klinton regime also brought us the infamous and deplorable hillary hole internal lock. I really wanted a trp and a cqb but oh well will get something from another manufacturer. Looked at a custom SA 1911 before purchasing an STI. It was a great decision, I have never looked back. You cannot exempt large businesses from onerous regulations that you impose on small businesses. I have been casually looking at getting a 1911. Easy there tough guy. Also check out the BM 59 kits and complete rifles out there. Wow, the article on Reese is incredible. He kept his marginal Mini-14 from hitting the list, selling out the gun owner in the process! Well I will see if I can make a good trade for STI, Para, or a cz had a cz 85 combat one time and traded it, was a real good gun in a 9 mm.Things like this is realy bad just cant trust anyone anymore. Thats kind of where Im at as well, REALLY pissed Im not going to be buying the Socom II Ive been saving for. Especially ones outside Chiraq. They will now go to the top so I can wear them out and use the warranty. Its sad but it happens. WebRock River Arms creates high quality rifles and pistols on the AR platform. The RRAGE pistol features a 10.5-inch barrel. Could be paperweights. WARNING: The products offered for sale on this website can expose you to chemicals which are known to the State An M1A was at the top of my wish list that I saving for. And to be fair, those are twice the price of the Ruger. The Springfield name is going to carry an odor, no matter how good a particular firearm might be. That is only if Springfield Arms survives this. RRA and Mr Larson are the only ones who can make a reliable AR-10. No offense meant, I was just pointing out that Springfield Armory has no connection to the city of Springfield Illinois. So Rock River spent at least $50.000 fund the Illinois Firearms Manufacturers Association. Couple of Butler Buildings, concrete pad to support machinery loading, movers and a power hookup. Damn shame. Dont need it, but I kinda like it. The lobbyist for the Illinois Firearms Manufacturers Association (IFMA), Jay Keller,traded that groups opposition to the bill in exchange for a carve-out, removing PrairieState firearms manufacturers from the licensing requirements. My time stinks apparently. Hugely disappointing. Two? If theres something worse than a fanboy, its a fanboy fudd. All evidence to the contrary? Defending Your Legacy is obviously just a marketing slogan for Springfield. Well after reading this and let me add no love for blue Illinois my days with SA are over. RRA is pretty close to Iowa iirc. How is he still employed? Rock River Arms sent me a 6.5 Creedmoor rifle with a tan stock and 24-inch barrel for testing. With support like that, who needs Everytown? It doesnt have to be both for the same reason. Posted: 1/27/2021 10:51:01 AM EST. Good luck! His quote was basically the above damned if I do damned if I dont and that it wasnt worth the headache. The firearms community will be better without them. I realy liked this ranger officer mogel all stainless nice looking gun. They have a good ongoing business, why jeopardize it? Thats bad, dont get me wrong. You probably also found out that at least bizapedia reports that the IFMA was dissolved. my first AR was a rock river arms rrage. It may not even pass the House. They mustve been channeling Bill Ruger. People Of The Gun have long memories. Some mightsay IFMAs change of heart might not have made a definitive difference. Meanwhile, theres another, ahem, firearm blog, that refuses to address the SA/RRA issue. Sure enough, the bill passed theSenate by a single vote. Whats the hangup for SA? We reserve the right to adjust product prices as dictated by the market.. LAR 8 is a nice weapon. Regardless of who did what,the after-effects of this deal and a legislative loss will be felt far beyond Illinois for some time to come. What would I do if I was RRA and SAI? Theyve earned back the support of 2A advocates, imo. And rra. But thats only a fraction of his treachery. F$&@ Ruger too! Not cheap by any stretch of the imagination, but check out Fulton Armory: http://www.fulton-armory.com/M14-Rifles.aspx. Whats left after the hate which never leaves? I own or have owned a number of AR's, including a couple of LaRue's, a KAC, a PWS and a POF. Your Price: $744.13. That was just a small part of the problem. No other IL manufacturers donated, not Armalite, not DSA, nada. Only Ruger has in the past few years regularly donated millions to the NRA. AR Parts. It is in between 5.56 and .223, but will safely shoot both. This companys name is Mudd. The news of Springfield Armory and Rock River Arms selling Illinois gun dealers and gun owners down the river continues to spread among The People of The Gun. Rugers stated public position was screw every other gun manufacturer and screw the American gun owners, as long as Ruger makes it and we want government contracts! Lower Half, A2 Stock Just From $410. Glad to see TTAG not shy away from it. Neither excuse is a proper justification. Huh? Now they will pay the price. Thank you for bringing this issue to the forefront. Nice deal on it until 4 July as well. I have family that works in the town. Same here. How does a company respond to pernicious laws and an atmosphere which is detrimental to the People of the Gun? Thats a double-whammy of reduced demand in the current market. Hes hurt the small guys trying to kiss up to the big retailers here in Illinois. Frankly, Im wondering how Im going to sell my existing inventory.. If CTD notices panic buying, cancels prior sales and refunds them, so it can resell stuff that belonged to its customers, thats not their right. Do you know how much the dealer bought them for? Both are were on their way to selling over a quarter million of Springfield product this year. If your going to bash or boycott one then bash and boycott all. Was going to purchase a TRP and was looking at RRA ar. They also make an Original Henry Rifle. cant hornor us people gun rights I say F THEM ALL. NOW all I can think is SHAME ON YOU!!!!!! Low character move. WebRock River Arms RAGE AR-15 Rifle 5.56 Nato / .223 Rem, 16" BBL, 6 Position Stock, M-LOK Free Float Rail, 30 Round, LAR-15M - Model DS1850 Carbine. Rock River Arms guarantees this pistol will shoot 2.5-inch groups at 50 yards with 185-grain Federal Gold Medal Match semi-wadcutter ammo. He didnt say, Hey, we screwed up. Theyre both stuck now. The silent majority will get the shaft, not gonna be any civil war, get over yourself. You can bet our sport; Henry wouldnt have gone along with that. What should be boycotted is this garbage blog. Not saying you have to like what happened, but its soviet Illinois, it was going to happen with or without their opposition. Everyone here is minding our business, because its our business where our money goes. Out of stock Compare. They seemed like a freedom loving company that supported the right for people to do what they had rights to do. +1, they are a bunch of liars praying on the ignorant. Sure, the majority will be DOA, but blue and swing states will see this get passed using this an example of good gun control that even firearms companies support. Some times they have deals. Was also saving up for an m1a. Seems like a stand up guy to me. After further review, Rock River Arms, Inc. (RRA) is immediately severing all ties with the Illinois Firearms Manufacturers Association (IFMA). We feel that IFMAs integrity is compromised and we will not be a part of the organization. Its real easy for you people to bash a company when you dont own shit. Never, ever. This rifle also has an RRA TRO-XL extended free float rail handguard and an accuracy of 3/4 MOA at 100 Yards. This story is libel. If discounted to $0, maybe. Yuge. So Rock River Arms story is complete crap and a bald faced LIE on the order of, I did not have sex with that women. WebCoyote Carbine Upper Half LAR-15M .300 AAC. Find gray, black, tan, alpine and other finishes on these .223 Rem / 5.56mm, .450 Bushmaster or 6.8 SPC chambered rifles. More recently, they do this big Saint countdown/reveal that just ends up being Another Entry-Level AR-15, just what the market needed. At least Henry, like Ruger, is 100% American. Your Price: $744.13. They did what they thought would keep the Criminal Clinton Administration from making a total all out war on guns. I see only three plausible reasons: 1) Greed millions are never enough. Here I was just falling in love with my SA 1911 Loaded. Hopefully this boycott will pass over with minimal job loss to the common machinist. Under no circumstances would they sell me any magazines. Dicks/Field & Stream, Troy, Hexmag, RRA, Springfield Arms, Target, CTD, et al, are making it hard on themselves.They are alienating their demographic. Indiana has a good climate for manufacturers of firearms, and I wouldnt mind seeing a few more ffls open up shop near me in Northwest Indiana, either. Most importantly, support our brothers in arms in Illinois. But they were happy to allow their lobbyist to finagle them a carve out. If youve already implemented them, great. Springfield could have fought thisor vocally opposed it on its way to potential passage. I know people who continue to not buy Ruger even after his kids made up for the old mans traitorous ways. Springfield Armorys Defend your legacy has a huge hypocritical meaning now. We beat back a similar bill last year. Rock River LAR-8 .308. The rights of citizens that theyve agreed to negotiate away will NEVER be restored. Why does Ruger all of the sudden get a pass on treachery? Made in US, SSteel frame, ambi controls, no mag safety, field strips/assembles in less than a minute with no tools or pulling trigger. We do not need traitors in our midst. As a collector of modern handguns, I was very interested in Springfields new XD-E and was hoping to find one as soon as they became available until all of this political posturing took place in Illinois (I live in neighboring Indiana). My 1911 search continues and Ill never purchase a Springfield. Their entire C Suite should resign and they need to prove themselves. When Colorado banned high cap magazines magpul moved to Texas. Perhaps a company thought they could pull a fast one and nobody would notice. WebRock River Arms Two Stage Match Trigger Kit4.5-5 lbThe RRA match AR trigger kit is designed for AR-15 and AR-10 Mil-Spec lower receivers with .154 trigger and hammer pins. Rock River's LAR-458 is the top pick for hunters because of its value, excellent trigger and superb accuracy. But do they double down on their error (Target) or put things into place that not only fix the error but make them new and better than ever. Springfields crime here is they didnt immediately counter the IFMA when the IFMA dropped opposition to a bill. And IFMA successfully lobbied and got a manufactures exemption this bill . Includes larger .1555 MSRP: $111.99 $75.81. Magpul moved. The licensing fee? An xdm9 and a 1911 loaded. Welp. I ended up buying an Honor Defense Honor Guard. Very pleased with it, as it has most of the features I wanted on a CC weapon. No offense intended. And if stooges like you thought this could be run under the table without anyone noticing, well, guess you should be mindful of your business in the next few quarters. Bill is long gone and the last 15yrs of Ruger leadership have taken a much different stance. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Since 2002. Just keep in mind, if you have a dozen guns in your safe, I GUARANTEE you that at least one comes from a company whos compromised at some point. Never sold out to foreign companies or parts sources or manufacturing or skimped on quality control. IMO, this last election postponed the literal civil war Ive been advocating for for over 10 years. The vocal retards who screamed about this conveniently ignored that last part. Illinois acts like an evil, independant country when it comes to our Second Amendment rights, ignoring law and constantly jockeying for ways to squelch our right of self-protection through our right to bear arms. AND everyone that the lobbyist represents must be in agreement. So how is screwing your loyal customer base and flipping them the bird to their faces sound business policy? Thankfully, many of the downstate Dems are staunchly pro-gun. Start by giving everyone involved a TSA-style probe. The company makes a wide variety of weapons, including AR-15 and M16 rifles, as well as pistols, shotguns, and bolt-action rifles.