}); We are one of the worlds fastest growing The K-POP idol's vocal talent is considered one of the best in the industry and yet, she continues to receive a great amount of . ", Where did you get ur African auntie outfit from?? i just dont love all the stuff they say/do. In fact, I really like them. but this stuff isnt discussed when it comes to suju - people take anything and make it problematic for members who havent done things like kangin, shindong, leeteuk, and yesung, and then just throw it around to defend their favorites. }); You need to Register or Login to view the content Another chose to call out an even older incident, one in which Hwasa used the n-word while covering a Beyonc song. window.adsContainer = {"positionAfterTitle":{"code":"Article_Desktop_300x250_Middle5_Rel_Newrev","isOrganicUserAd":true,"max_width":336,"max_height":280},"position2":{"code":"Article_Desktop_300x250_After_Title_Rel_Newrev","max_width":336,"max_height":280},"position3":{"code":"Article_Desktop_300x250_Below_Next_Rel_Newrev","max_width":300,"max_height":250},"position4":{"code":"Article_Desktop_300x250_Middle_Rel_Newrev","max_width":300,"max_height":250},"position5":{"code":"Article_Desktop_300x250_Middle1_Rel_Newrev","max_width":300,"max_height":250},"position6":{"code":"Article_Desktop_300x250_Middle2_Rel_Newrev","max_width":336,"max_height":280},"position7":{"code":"Article_Desktop_300x250_Middle3_Rel_Newrev","max_width":300,"max_height":250},"position8":{"code":"Article_Desktop_300x250_Middle4_Rel_Newrev","max_width":300,"max_height":250},"position9":{"code":"Article_Desktop_300x250_Middle5_Rel_Newrev","max_width":336,"max_height":280},"position10":{"code":"Article_Desktop_300x250_Middle6_Rel_Newrev","max_width":336,"max_height":280},"position11":{"code":"Article_Desktop_300x250_Middle7_Rel_Newrev","max_width":336,"max_height":280},"position12":{"code":"Article_Desktop_300x250_Middle8_Rel_Newrev","max_width":336,"max_height":280},"position13":{"code":"Article_Desktop_300x250_Middle9_Rel_Newrev","max_width":336,"max_height":280},"position14":{"code":"Article_Desktop_300x250_Middle10_Rel_Newrev","max_width":336,"max_height":280},"position15":{"code":"Article_Desktop_300x250_Middle11_Rel_Newrev","max_width":336,"max_height":280},"position16":{"code":"Article_Desktop_300x250_Middle12_Rel_Newrev","max_width":336,"max_height":280},"positionTop":{"code":"Article_Desktop_970x250_Header_Rel","isOrganicUserAd":false,"max_width":970,"max_height":250},"positionBottom":{"code":"Article_Desktop_Sidebar_Bottom_Rel_Newrev","isOrganicUserAd":true,"max_width":300,"max_height":600},"positionBottomRight":{"code":"Article_Desktop_300x250_After_Title_Rel_Newrev","isOrganicUserAd":true,"max_width":336,"max_height":280}} I hear people say that she added it in to a song that didn't have it on purpose but that version is on Melon. For example, Ryeowook is another suju member I really like, and I dont agree with him using a picture of Yesung in blackface as his twitter icon whatsoever, I think it was incredibly offensive and insensitive and ignorant, but its not something that has caused me to dislike him. I still like Ryeowook, I wont defend what he did, but Im still his fan. I was enjoying binging 4 years worth of missed content from them but I guess it's inevitable that I stumbled on their controversies and I'll admit it hurt to read so many people hate on them since I was with them when they debut and immediately fell in love. Yes, I should have checked the links. And please send me a link when you upload the video, Id be interested in seeing your translation. Watch popular content from the following creators: natalie(@chuusvideogame), matching pfp with @asapminho(@ryyujinnn), Malaiya<3 (@soulspotato__), donnie<3(@twicesring), number one heejin stan(@realchaeyoungpark) . Feels bad yo. If you would not be able to handle it being done to you, dont do it to others, no matter how big or famous those other people are. Threads: 138. I encourage everybody to keep general discussion going, but for now, Im stepping out. My mom would like to know" while another asked, "Is mama Africa a good name for you? Theres no point calling people too sensitive, especially when the stuff pointed out causes many problems, for fans and also the members themselves (for example, Kai has shown numerous times that he is upset by/fed up with the comments on his skin). And then later on she includes a list of problematic things that her favourite (boy) group has done and it's literally 3x as long. It is absurd. They could learn about Korean values and customs online, but they'll never truly understand the severity of it because they're not from that culture where it's significant. I did watch the video when it was up but it was a while ago and I dont remember exactly what he said. ", And if anybody wants to get brave about their past mistakes, heres a link with receipts and explanations. One fan shared a detailed card about it along with the message, "And if anybody wants to get brave about their past mistakes, heres a link with receipts and explanations. As much as I have enjoyed running this blog, there are lots of aspects of it which have purely been a source of anxiety and distress for me. eventAction: 'render' Heechul put the scarf on his head as Gain was explaining why she chose to wear hers in a hijab style. I did do that on my exo masterpost, but I also spent a lot more time and thought on that post as well. The most ridiculous thing I have heard it that Hwasa try to be black like how by being Confident and unapologetic about her skin tone, clothing and looks cause she radiates hotness. However, this became a lot more unlikely when a second video was released, titled censored version, which did not include the supposed autism comment. I'm pretty sure that a lot of people have heard of the blackface scandal. And the answer is simple: Hwasa has been their scapegoat for years now. I'm sure I'm still unlearning a lot of things today. Someone texted back, Its about to get worse, they will try to trend another hate tweet. Things not included arent included because they DIDNT happen, stop believing lies told by edgy K-pop stans w/o any receipts. Personally, I come from a Chinese household with really racist, sexist, misogynistic, and homophobic beliefs. A subreddit for the four member kpop group, MAMAMOO! Normal version comes with 1 random photocard out of 4. And while her more recent missteps are nowhere near what she has done in the past, they still, nonetheless, fall in the realm of what many consider offensive. JavaScript is disabled. I've researched it online and all I see are hate comments, especially towards Solar and Wheein. They are known and respected by the general public, for their powerful vocals and performances, and can only go up in relevance from here. As I am not muslim (and Im not sure if you are or not) I feel as though its not really up for me to say whether or not its offensive ora reach. If it had just been misheard or a mistranslation, why would they censor it? It's incredibly frustrating dealing with these kinds of people. Mamamoo Has Been Receiving Hate Storms- And It's Only Getting Worse. During their concert on Friday in Seoul, Mamamoo released a. Of course I was disappointed in some of the things they've done and said, but we all make mistakes and they've acknowledged them and apologized. Solar Moonbyul Wheein Hwasa Results are only viewable after voting. Everyone, dont think of dirty thoughts!, negative comment about Taos skin being dark, cant be too chubby/fat and must have a nice body, He has darker skin than me, doesnt he?, in general, youre skin looks better if you have a lighter skin tone. The following 32 users Like TheSexyTwiMan's post: I didnt really spend a huge amount of time on that Super Junior post and I didnt properly think about the way I was phrasing things, or the information I was including. We have, arguably, a smaller fan base in a way - at least internationally - so its a little easier to see those hate thorns in-between the roses. Mamamoo ( Korean : , stylized in all caps) [2] is a South Korean girl group formed by RBW (formerly WA Entertainment) in 2014, composed of four members: Solar, Moon Byul, Whee In and Hwa Sa. Probation Faker. I know Ive answered questions on things like racism, colorism, cultural appropriation, etc. I recently saw their variety show where they traveled to Busan and talked a bit about the past and Moonbyul said something that really squeezed my heart (paraphrasing): "We're human. I have no reason not to trust the 2 Korean-speaking people whove come forward and told me it isnt a mistranslation? The post isnt supposed to be the be-all-and-end-all of offensive super junior. Comes with 1 group photocard and 2 random member photocards out of 8. when in retrospect it really wasnt my place to do so and I want to say Im really, sincerely sorry about that. For me, I think controversies and hate are just the unfortunate and difficult side that comes with being an idol. when Lay said, When asked about his ideal type, said that she, He and Chen chose Kai and Tao as the members they wouldnt want to date if they were girls, when Chen was explaining why, Xiumin interrupted him and saidThey both have a similarity, theyre both tanned (, Posted a photograph of him in a face mask on Weibo and captioned it, Apparently there were some old online comments from Baekhyuns cyworld account where he called girls at his High School sluts but I cant find any screenshots, Chanyeol and Baekhyun apparently admitted to teasing the Chinese members at first for their pronunciation/korean and acted somewhat cold towards them, though I cannot find a source for this, Many people have said Chanyeol said his ideal type would have white/pale skin but I cant find a source on that so Im not sure, Some people have told me that Kris is sexist/misogynistic but I cant find anything about this online, I also vaguely remember seeing a picture of exo which one of the members wrote comments on and there was something about Kais skin being dark but I cant remember who it was (possibly Kai himself?) Maybe ive just checked really bad websites. It would be easy to point to other fandoms and how they have been problematic at times but that's not helpful and just continues a cycle of hate. ), http://ourbridgeisforever.tumblr.com/post/117874134598/hi-i-just-wanted-to-comment-on-your-tag-about, http://ourbridgeisforever.tumblr.com/post/117835308868/ayabewakasa-one-unsubstantiated-article-that, http://ourbridgeisforever.tumblr.com/post/118060768918/about-the-issue-of-siwon-saying-no-to-the-fanboy, http://ourbridgeisforever.tumblr.com/post/119551166438/baekbitchyeol-catchmeinthedrift. reporters on a platform technologically tailored to meet the needs of the modern reader. Im not Korean and I dont live in Korea so Im not comfortable talking about Korean social norms or anything like that, but colorism and homophobia are still bad and damaging things. There are so many kids in the . Daily persecution? Mamamoo is perhaps most widely-known for writing their own music, their electric stage presence, and constant ad-libs often thrown in to make each stage as unique as it can possibly be. }); Threads: 0. A quick list (that is nowhere near all) of the vocal famous Mamamoo fans include: JYP (founder of JYPE), Yoo Hee Yeol (Host of Sketchbook), Im Chang Jung (senior ballad singer), Lee Hyori (senior solo artist), Hyuna (solo artist), Seulgi (of Red Velvet), Lee Dahee (actress), Wang Bitna (actress), and Kim Hyesoo (actress). okay so people seemed to find my exo masterpost pretty helpful and Im very aware that suju arent exactly the least offensive group around, so (since the YFIP one isnt very up-to-date) I thought Id make a super junior masterpost since Im a suju fan and I want to provide helpful resources for other fans. omg lol at everything written under heechul. Firstly, Im fairly sure I missed stuff, but also, a lot of it is somewhat interpretational. Even if it was a joke or a passing, it wasnt very funny. Honestly, I would want the person that I love to be more pretty or more handsome., Culturally appropriated a Native American headdress. I really dislike fat girls. Most of the controveries are from a while back (solar imitating her senior, the strawberry jam song). But she probably could not have predicted that an #AskHwasa hashtag could have drawn out some of the worst Twitter drags in recent times. And yes I did make an exo masterpost, heres a link. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. hey uh, not a lot of people are anyway (thankfully), but Id really appreciate it if people could stop reblogging the super junior post I made, thatd be fab ty. Im ironically bad at dealing with conflict, which might make some people question why I started this blog (it was actually an accident, long story), but Ive tried not to let it affect my running of this blog. (especially since hes never repeated anything like that.). So to me Mamamoo isn't the most problematic groups, they are one of the every few kpop groups that take criticism and acknowledge it and learn from it. Why was that her fault? Wore a headscarf in a similar way to a hijab in, When a male fan said Saranghae (I love you) to him, he responded by going, Made the picture of Yesung in blackface his, Def Conn was talking about a trade he did with an African American regarding some Micheal Jordan shoes in which Kyuhyun retorted, Said that Kais defining feature was that his, Then proceeded to say Taos face color is dark because its green at 23:11 of the same, Assigned gummy bears to Exo-K members and, In the same interview, Kai sort of called him out on his colorism/shadism and Chanyeol said , Used a caricature app to make the Exo members and created, When Xiumin chose him as first place after being asked which exo member hed date if he were a girl, he saidIt feels pretty good to be in first place, but it is first place from the viewpoint of a male but then said a few seconds laterThis first place feels a little its a good thing! People can and do change, me from two years ago was a huge mess of anti-social justiceness (somehow) and I used to despise blogs like the very one Im running right now. I'm a fairly new Mamamoo fan and I was hearing a lot about them being super problematic towards black people(so being black) I decided to some research to find out. The next big issue made public came when Solar dressed up as a Korean beggar from Train to Busan (2016) for their next ending concert video. Im aware hes from Canada, Im aware people are less touchy-feely in the west, but the fact that the thought of his band members being gay or transworried him is definitely problematic. They never went into these situations with the intent of hurting or offending anyone. Someone might think its petty or ridiculous but theres no reason for people to put up with something offensive if they dont want to. I actually really appreciate people messaging me about stuff and talking it through with me, especially because I actually really dislike conflict (makes me wonder why I started this blog really haha). In terms of overlooking, I'm not sure what is expected since they've apologized for their actions and speech and the apologies have been pretty prompt. I think people need to realize that Asia is still inside a bit of a bubble when it comes to what is appropriate regarding race and cultures. okay so somebody sent me a link to the video (thank you btw!) A lot of my followers have been a huge help and Ive learned a lot myself. Ive said before that my intent is to provide information, and that should include context and possible explanations, and Im sorry it didnt. Im getting upset the more I think about it lol but really its just a lot of misconceptions; sometimes culturally and linguistically, that Americans like to hold a grudge against. Regardless, a fan who thinks that its not a problem isnt going to hold it against Heechul, the point of the post isnt to make you hate the idols (Heechul is literally one of my ultimate biases) its just supposed to be informative. if he simply stated that he thought they were gay/trans, then there isnt a problem because theres nothing wrong with a person being gay/trans. I feel like this sounds insincere but its not, I promise, I wish I had gone about it very differently. pg.acq.push(function() { I love mamamoo their song i miss you is what got me into them as that song made me really sad but their songs hit different and Moonbyul is such a tomboy and i love her, I love how Moonbyul dominates this poll lmao, Moonbyul isnt even my bias anymore but I cant switch my vote so yep go dominate girl. Its not good when people exaggerate stuff (like they did with Siwon) but its good to keep discussions going on offensive things in kpop, 3) Thank you for the fanaccounts/links about the Siwon thing (Ill add them to the list), thats the kind of thing I appreciate being told because I am not omniscient and I dont know everything (Also I think I already had one of those on there?). When people see my profile pic on Instagram and see that I'm a black Moomoo , they always try to use it against me saying that I must not care about the black community if I still support them. i love exo. window.googletag.pubads().addEventListener('impressionViewable', function(event) { Yes, I should have included things such as dates. I messed up, a lot, and I honestly do regret making the post. Recently the show aired a special live on the YouTube channel of I Live Alone. Goodnight. its good(, When asked who their ideal types would be if the other members were girls, Chen chose Luhan and Chanyeol chose D.O and Lay then took the microphone to clarify that they were not gay by saying, A similar incident occurred at a concert(?) MEAWW is an initialism for Media Entertainment Arts WorldWide. For those of you who might not know, Mamamoo is a four girl idol group who debuted under RBW (Rainbowbridge World) in June of 2014. Again I apologise for any of the harm I have caused with this blog, it was definitely unintentional, but thats no excuse. Their sound is diverse, but can best be described as a mix between jazz, retro, and R&B. },false) Thats not fair to them at all and makes absolutely no sense. Because of MISTAKES. One user shared, "HELP THE QUESTIONS FOR #AskHwasa I CANT," along with a screenshot of some of their favorites, another said, "THE TWEETS UNDER THIS HASHTAG ARE RUTHLESS AHAJAKXH," and one joked, "The gates of heaven are not opening for ANY of yall. For a lot of other controversies in Korea (like addressing an older person informally), international fans may not understand those issues as well as Koreans and believe that it's no big deal. Moomoos are also quite reserved and a bit more mature so whenever Mamamoo is criticized, you have a small group of people rationally trying to defend them. when something is scripted) or it is something they did along time ago and havent done since. This was such a good response. Kissed Yewons thighs on We Got Married while carrying her on his shoulders, Persuaded Jackson (GOT7) to accompany him in going into the girls room without permission and rifling through their stuff on episode 45 of SBS Roommate, thanks for not defending the other stuff I guess, okay this is actually the last post I just find it hard to sleep when I dont resolve stuff, An Apology For the Super Junior Masterpost, I wasnt trying to paint suju as bad guys or anything I honestly just wanted to help the people whod be sending me asks, sorry to bring this up again but a few more people reblogged it. The Official MAMAMOO 18+ Thread - The Bar (18+) - OneHallyu Hello everyone, in honor of MAMAMOOs super awesome comeback for their sassy title track, Um Ah Oh Yeh, from their Pinky Funky mini album, I have decided to create a 18+ thread for the sexy ladies of MAMAMOO. Ive also seen Chanyeol and Baekhyun fans criticise them for the stuff theyve said/done, but move on and continue to be their fans, which is also a personal decision. not excusing it or defending, but Henry was a little boy from Canada, and that kind of fan service is really odd in general to the West, Id hardly call that problematic. You dont owe them anything in the lines of forgiveness, especially if you were one of the people they personally hurt with their past actions. Solar will previal . ", which culture did u enjoy appropriaing the most #AskHwasapic.twitter.com/x6WYr2VeJa, Can we have a spoiler? I heard that this picture would drive people with OCD crazy.. pic.twitter.com/d4GXcv4AIt, As more fans attempted to clear the hashtag and ask for others to be kind and consider the mental health of idols like Hwasa, some couldn't help but laugh at the questions being asked. Thank you~). The thing is, it is not just another joke. I know they've apologized for many of their other problems they faced but seriously, the hate is so overwhelming. | by unchangingtruth | Medium Write Sign up Sign In 500 Apologies, but something went wrong on our end. Advanced Faker. And it appears they still hold her accountable for it, largely owing to past instances of appropriation, such as wearing a durag. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. For the segment, the three followed outfits . **All colorism is bad, but i think its fair to say that whenever Tao or Kai try to deflect colorist comments onto each other, it is usually a form of defence mechanism that stems from internalised colorism. This has taken me quite a while to write because its about 3 am and Im trying not to come across as rude or self-righteous, which I something I often do unintentionally, and Im really sorry its so long when you probably didnt even want a response in the first place. Ive privated the post because it was very poorly made and I acknowledge that, however, some of the criticism Im getting is from 1) people who havent actually read the post and 2) people who are refusing to acknowledge some of the things I did include in it. But I wanted to post this just to show that colorism in VIXX is a major problem, it has been happening since debut and has continued up til now, is something that has majorly affected Hakyeon (and is not just "a fun inside joke") and is something that every single other member is guilty of. I forgot how toxic Kpop fans can be Like you all know, Mamamoo has a pretty small fan base (internationally) compared to some other idol groups. They removed the video from the ending of their concert shows and Mamamoo also personally apologized at their following concert to anyone who could have been affected by their previous actions. Mobile +91-9466446612, +91-9728497962; Email info@pvginternationals.com; wow tanaan jungle questline; small planet airlines fleet; you've got mail bookstore name I cant undo posting it, but I regret it and Im really, genuinely sorry for spreading incorrect information and for any of the fans I upset. or for the life of me find it again so this is unsourced for the time being. Thats not true. Apink made an exciting appearance on the recent July 1 episode of SNL Korea, but one of the show's skits featuring member Bomi has caused a wave of backlash among fans and viewers. Thanks for the reply! Also of note, Mamamoo participated in and won the 2019 Queendom, coming in first place against such idols as (G)I-DLE, AOA, Oh My Girl, Park Bom, and Lovelyz. Explore the latest videos from hashtags: #mamamooproblematic, #mamamooegotistic, #mamaproblematica, # . #1. In order to do that, I must describe the actions Mamamoo has done in the past that received the most vocal and widespread backlash, and then explain what happened as a result. The thing to note here is that Hwasa is not fluent in English. We hope that you will help to educate us on these and other issues so that we can become better people and better artists.. But- and heres the but- not forgiving them is no excuse for repeated bullying, harassment, and worse. offensive/misogynistic comments to his Cyworld account, Kai was in charge of skin color in the group, my noona is a little on the tanned side, no wonder why you guys acted like you were so close with each other, I thought the lights were not entering over there, said that he has Kai saved as Blackie in his phone contacts, in a pre-debut video with a hard -er at the end, how can you say something that doesnt even make sense?, Chanyeol asked Kai if he wanted to lighten his skin, Dont misunderstand us. Call me out for what? With the Henry thing, I also understand where youre coming from. Im aware people hold stuff against suju quite a lot, especially in comparison to other problematic groups like BigBang and 2NE1, who I rarely see get criticised, but that doesnt counteract the fact that suju have messed up before (because theyre human beings). Another misconception I found was about Hwasa and how shes the devil and sooo racist. MAMAMOO debuted on June 18, 2014, along with their single "Mr. Ambiguous." MAMAMOO was commended along with their first single by the critics as one of the best K-pop debut group in 2014. pg.acq.push(function() { On Strong Heart Henry revealed that when he first came to Southkorea he thought his fellow members were gay and that Kim Heechul was transgender. I dont know if youre Korean or not (your blog doesnt say) but if you arent, I consider everything youve said invalid information. Im not really sure what else to say, if anyone wants to talk to me about it, thats fine. In the age of the Internet, in the age where absolutely anything can be done online, your actions online matter. Yes I should have included more context. ", #AskHwasa biggie or tupac? if you want to complain about me making this or ask me why i did, please read this first, honestly i will not respond to anyone who has not read this first. Hwasa, while covering the track, read the lyrics as is, leading to the gaffe. The group officially debuted with their single "Mr. Ambiguous" on June 18, 2014. Notifications can be turned off anytime from browser settings. Its much appreciated :-), Im KOREAN TOO, and shes lying, i will post a video with the REAL ONE and gonna call you out too.-.