Feedback. Email Privacy Policy MOWREY 58 CAL BLACK POWDER PERCUSSION MUSKET, #2480. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies. Of course it is one of the old ones which may be the reason. It is a Navy Arms from at least twenty years ago. 2022 Pritzker Military Museum & Library. gun is in decent shape & bore is shiny & free of any corrosion. is for Armi San Marco, an italian factory making black Top is labeled "Navy Arms Ridgefield nj." Bottom side has a six digit number "1001XX". A.S.M. They thought if they started raising the price on their guns to in the, same range as Uberti that all the problems would go away. 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Re: italian made .44 black powder revolver That's Armi San Marco, one of four Italian repro manufacturers. Appears used very little. The barrel is round and 7 1/2 inches long. Brand: American Defense Techechnologies Caliber: 5.56 NATO 18.5 Million - Ready Stock- SS109 AR-10 80% lower receivers Brand: SE Tactical 3 for $285 AR-15 80% lower receiver Brand: SE Tactical 3 for $165 Logistics worldwide Brand: AVZ Consulting BVBA Worldwide Logistics for all your products. Pistol - Made in Italy . Then you must like AWA Peacekeepers (made by Armi San Marco), right? As far as I know it seems pretty accurate. Copyright 2000-2023 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Sights are threaded brass post front, with notched hammer face rear sight. Single action 6-shot revolver, Features, Front brass bead sight, Blued octagon barrel and cylinder with engagement scene, Case hardened loading lever and hammer, Brass frame and trigger guard, Plain wooden grips, Original box. 7 1/5" octagonal barrel; with ASM BLACK POWDER ONLY CAL. I do remember an article about this first revolver in that it was so exactly copied from an original that even experienced Colt collectors had difficulty in telling the prototype from an original. Year of Manufacture: 1987, ATF Classified as Antique Caliber: .44 Caliber Ball Action Type: Single Action, Cap and Ball Black Powder Revolver Markings: The right side of the barrel band is marked "U.S. / 1847". State: South Australia. I have a 3rd Model Dragoon 1851, markings on the barrel say "<>Gardone V.T.- Brescia" and "Cal 44 Black Powder Only Made In Italy" It does not have the slots for attaching a stock because at the time it was made the BATF rules for the stock were in doubt. This heavy revolver was originally manufactured by Remington and was widely used during the Civil War. Armi San Marco is still making guns and they are known for making guns with bad workmanship. . NAVARRE 88.5' height 7 1/2in (19cm); diameter, Rolex. That's your build date. Weekly Auctions of Exceptional Items. I don't know whatever happened to that lawsuit or maybe it was just a rumor? 10% buyers premium online. 7.5" Octagon Barrel. If any part of these Conditions of Sale is found by any court to be invalid, illegal or unenforceable, that part shall be discounted and the rest of the conditions shall continue to be valid to the fullest extent permitted by law. a.) PART #: CAPACITY: BARREL LENGTH: EIG Italian Colt 1851 Navy Black Powder Revolver 36 cal w/Leather Holster . HAMILTON, 14K YELLOW GOLD OPEN FACE POCKET WATCH 44.00 mm case diameter, matte silvered dial, black Arabic numerals, subdial for seconds at 6 o'clock, stem wound and set Cal. Changes were made in the production guns to make sure they could not be passed off as an original. black powder only, Cal 44, made in Italy." Telephone Bids .44 cal '51 navies a little less. To be smooth like a real Winchester. Closed Sunday & Monday. WOW , thanks for the history , I do see parts ,lighter springs even cylinders for these guns BUT not with the ASM manufacture ,parts are crossed to gun type like "1851 navy" ,would one say theres a strong chance they would work in ASM brand "1851 navy" ? FOR SALE. Lyman Bullet Mould Two-Cavity 44 Cal 128gr Round Ball . with the brass frames tend to be at the low end, while a steel Title passes upon the fall of the auctioneer's hammer to the highest acknowledged bidder subject to the Conditions of Sale set forth herein, and the bidder assumes full risk and responsibility. book of modern black powder values, available from midway USA and Make sure your search is specific enough to get the correct value. The thing now runs great, and I enjoy shooting it when I do. But it's action Oh, it's action REALLY stank. Serial number: D66087 LIABILITY I've never had any problems with them. This was when ASM/Chaparral was making the infamous 73's and 66's. 44 Made in Italy"Underneath the loading lever is the serial number "E51471"Above the wedge slot ""US" and ". A.S.M. That is a felony. It was the Top Overall prize at a shoot in NM about 1993. View Item in Catalog Lot #216 (Sale Order . The owner was very knowledgeable about his business. Black Powder Cylinder -'Old Silver' -Naval Scene $161.00 $14.10 shipping Day 1 - Tuesday December 29th See Sold Price. 50-250 USD What does asm on a pistol stand for? The buyer's premium for purchases made via online bidding is fifteen point four percent(15.4%) of the hammer. Brass frames look like just that - brass. These two revolvers just feel better ergonomically than either the Uberti .357's or the USFA .38 Special revolvers I have. Sold Pending Funds -- Thanks Good Afternoon:I have for sale an ASM 1847 Walker Colt in nice condition.Marked "BH" -- Made in 1996Lower right side of barrel marked "SM Black Powder Only Cal. A friend of mine purchased a 1874 Sharps repo made by them a few years. to impose a late charge of one and a half percent (1.5%) per thirty (30) days of the total purchase price CAL 44, barrel 9 inches. When making a bid, a bidder is accepting personal liability to pay the purchase price, including the buyer's premium, all applicable taxes and all other applicable charges, unless it has been explicitly agreed upon in writing with Kraft Auction Service LLC before the commencement of the sale that the bidder is acting as agent on behalf of an identified third party acceptable to Kraft Auction Service LLC., and that Kraft Auction Service LLC. 3751, a stainless steel, (6) MID-CENTURY GOTHIC REVIVAL DINING CHAIRS, Antique 19thc. For large items we are unable to ship in-house, we recommend: ASM 1860 Army. It has blondish colored Italian hardwood grip panels. The cylinder times correctly on all six positions. Replica Arms of El Paso, TX was started by L.F. Allen. Depending on IT IS SERIAL # A40841. All items are sold as-is. But the best Vintage: Yes. c.) to cancel the sale Pistols ASM Colt caliber . The auctioneer may continue to bid on behalf of the seller up to the amount of the reserve, either by placing consecutive bids or by placing bids in response to other bidders. reserves the right to charge $5 per lot per day or to deliver said property to a public warehouse for storage at the purchaser's expense. Colt 1851 Navy 36 Cal Black Powder Only Durys # 4759. A nickel plated frame could be brass or steel, magnet test would tell. Recently heard a story about ASM, that they moved out of the big city to a smaller town in the country. He took the gun back. No statement, whether written or oral, and whether made in the catalogue, or in supplements to the catalogue, an advertisement, a bill of sale, a salesroom posting or announcement, the remarks of an auctioneer, or otherwise, shall be deemed to create any warranty, representation or assumption of liability. ASM attempted to revive its percussion revolvers with limited success and finally closed its doors several years back. I am very pleased with what i got. Thus all black powder arms must bear both proof house symbols. F. LLI Pietta is an Italian company that made reproduction black powder pistols..everything from a Colt 1851 Navy to a model 1858 Remington. A fine 18K gold and stainless steel automatic chronograph bracelet watch with diamond set IWC, Da Vinci Rattrapante, ref. Virtual Preview on Kraft Auction Facebook Page: December 28th 4pm-5pm Traditions Firearms 1851 Colt Navy 44 Cal Black Powder Pistol $281.99 Add to Compare (11) Traditions Firearms 1851 Navy Revolver Walnut Grip 44 Cal Black Powder Pistol $289.99 Add to Compare (5) Traditions 1860 Army 44 BP 8" Hammer/Blade Walnut Grip Blued $304.99 Free Shipping Option* Add to Compare (6) I don't shoot as much as others on the forum so the wear on soft internal parts might not be as apparent to me as to more frequent shooters. I also had 2 spare cylinders. Make: Armi San Marco Model: 1862 Army Police .36 cal Frame: Brass Caliber: .36 Percussion Barrel Length: 5 Powder Charge: 12-15 grains FFFg Ball Size: .375 I would charge toward the lower end for regular use (12-13 grains) on the brass frame. This is an unusual brass single shot, .31 caliber, in-line, black powder percussion Derringer. They are two different Italian firearms manufacturing companies. There are sanding marks left in the brass and no proof marks. FFL Required for Transfer. Antique Wood 7-Drawer Printers File Cabinet. Another place to look is The blue ASM Black Powder, 44 cal. All items must be picked up and removed before Saturday 2pm unless prior arrangments are made. Guns Pistols Colt Replica Italian etc. 44 MADE IN ITALY". Table 1 shows recommended charges for CVA revolvers only. Bringing citizens and soldiers together to explore military history, military affairs and national security. If you see one for sale someplace, check it out carefully before you buy. Look on the revolver barrel or bottom or side of cylinder frame. 44 inches x 18 inches x 27 inches, Wrought Iron Black Powder Coated Fire Place Screen. Product Description 44 Caliber; 99% blue, excellent bore, excellent grips, 9'' barrel, Reproduction black powder percussion revolver manufactured in Italy. I saw it sitting used at a local gunshop a few years ago for $250 bucks. Which is greater 36 yards 2 feet and 114 feet 2 inch? blue book publications as well as many of the other hunting and Pick Up Will be Available at Our Kraft Facility in Valparaiso, 2- Day Online Only If we receive written bids on a particular lot for identical amounts, and these are the highest bids on the lot at the auction, it will be sold to the person whose written bid was received and accepted first. Home delivery is also available at an additional cost to the buyer. All information is provided "as is" with all faults without warranty of any kind, either express or implied. . The online buyers must pay the entire amount due (including the hammer price, buyer's premium, all applicable taxes and other charges) immediately at the conclusion of the sale. HENRI NAVARRE (1885-1970) Vasecirca 1930glass with black interlayer powder decoration with hot-a Rolex. Buy ASM BLACK POWDER 44 WITH HOLSTER: GunBroker is the largest seller of Revolvers Pistols Guns & Firearms All: 970364841. A fine 18K gold and stainless steel automatic chronograph bracelet watch with diamond set dial Model: Cosmograph Daytona Reference: 116503 Date: Recent Movement: 44-jewel Cal.4130 automatic, fr, IWC, Da Vinci Rattrapante, ref. Absentee Bids Made in Italy By A.S.M. Payment The only Armi San Marcos gun I have a repro 1858 Remington that I bought in the early 1980s and it works fine. We ship all winning items for buyers at the buyer's expense. We believe this Italian replica of the Colt 1862 Pocket Navy Model revolver is Armi San Marco production, of Brescia, Italy. If we do not receive payment in full, in good cleared funds, within 24 hours following the sale, we are entitled in our absolute discretion to exercise one or more of the following measures, in addition to any additional actions available to us by law: ASM 1849 Pocket. That will give you an idea of the general value. The underside of the barrel is marked "CAL 44 / ASM BLACK POWDER ONLY MADE IN ITALY". 7% Indiana sales tax. We use security measures to protect against the loss, misuse and alteration of data used by our system. We do not recommend firing any heavy loads in a brass frame .44, anywhere from 15 to 22 grains. ASM 1847 Walker. f.) to not allow any bids at any upcoming auction by or on behalf of the buyer 44 MADE IN ITALY" is found . hikin PCT ,shooting steel bandits .TRAINS, shooting, hunting, fishing, blacksmithing. They now make a 92 rifles, but it does function better than the old ASM 92's. I have replacements now, but I keep it around as a back-up. ASM 1858 1863 pocket. Approximately 34 inches x 44 inches. THSS TSRA NRA Life If any dispute arises after the sale, our sale record is conclusive. Ryw, they sued, but I thought it was because "people would see PeaceKEEPER and think it was a PeaceMAKER". Step 1: Check Email Address (Every account must use a unique email address), ASM Black Powder .44 Cal Revolver. or Pietta guns, but still a very fine reproduction. nor its consignor(s) makes any warranties or representations, express or implied with respect to such lots. Online Bids 7-drawer upright file cabinet. AT THE SALE Very nice condition. They are the Edsel of. Home Forums Gear Free Classifieds.44 Cal Black powder revolver, made in Italy: Forums Member List Calendar Active Threads: Previous Thread: Next Thread : Print Thread: Hop To .44 Cal Black powder revolver, made in Italy #14651490 03/11/20. 4 - Un anuncio Audio Listen to this radio advertisement and write the prices for each item listed. Is the volume of resulting sugar mixture equal more than or less than the sum (20 ml sugar 50 ml water ) of the volumes of the unmixed sugar and water? CAS, SASS, Cat: Sharpshooter stan wayback My first cowboy pistol was an ASM EMF Hartford in .357, bought new in about '95 or '96. Both sets of these .38 revolvers seem just a bit smaller in the grips and frames than the ASM .45's. Prospective buyers are strongly advised to personally examine any property in which they are interested before the auction takes place.. All lots are sold AS IS and without recourse and neither Kraft Auction Service LLC. Not For Sale; Precious Metals; Barrels; Care & Cleaning . Serial Number: E01965 Year of Manufacture: 1994 Caliber: .44 Cap and Ball (Percussion) Action Type: Single Action Cap & Ball (Percussion) Revolver Markings: The right side of the barrels are marked "ASM BLACK POWDER ONLY CAL. Sounds like 1860 Armies to me(they have a naval scene as well)If the barrels are round they're Armies if octagonal they're Navies. Previous manufacturer located in Gardone, Italy, acquired by American Western Arms, Inc. in 2000 and reorganized as American Western Arms, Italia. Any suggestions? Over 2000 Lots of 40+ Guns, Coins, Vintage Advertising, Antiques, Tools, Equipment, New Building Supplies & Much More!! I was told a few years back that the other gun makers in Italy approached them and requested that they work harder on the craftsmanship as they were giving the Italian gun makers a bad name. It appears from the pics that the nipples were removed at one point, are they all there and operable? See American Western Arms Inc. listing. The man of many Colts (Fingers) hit the price line pretty damn close. The metal spring that is in the hand grip is broken. Up for sale is an ASM black powder only revolver 44 cal made in Italy. I even got a lee mold to cast mini BP bullet for 36 cal , but cause the bullet was a tad long to fit in cly loading press on the navy,I never tried it thanks Stan. Appears to be unfired. Thanks to everyone I now have some knowledge about the guns. In the absence of a bid at that level, the auctioneer may proceed backwards at his or her discretion until a bid is recognized, and then continue up from that amount. How we protect your privacy I was unable to add your email address to the email list. To add to the confusion Chiappa did purchase the 92 rifle tooling and left over parts from ASM. If the frame, barrel lug, or cylinder have no proof marks, then it was assembled as a kit gun. Serial Number E05147, Made in Italy, 8 inch barrel , Single Action. Packing and Shipping Picture would help to identify the model. Serial number 09485. .44 Cal. This was sold and moved to Marietta, OH., and then, in around 1973, was sold to Navy Arms. Guns Seller's Description. Discretion Chicago, IL 60603 They were based primarily on the early 1st. Didn't happen though. Serial Number E05147, Made in Italy, 8 inch barrel , Single Action. It is unmarked as to importer as well, but we think it is an FIE Import. Take that, and cross reference it the list below. You have the names confused. Actually it was because of the pony on the grips AND the name, Colt won the lawsuit. WE DO NOT REFUND BUYERS FOR ITEMS BECAUSE SHIPPING WAS TO EXPENSIVE. There should also be a rollmarked A.S.M. Cash, check, or credit payments for those invoices over $2500 with a 3% discount for cash or check payments. This is a modern, working reproduction built in Italy by Armi San Marco (A.S.M.) (sometimes just S.M.) In the event of a dispute between bidders, the auctioneer has final discretion to determine the successful bidder or to reoffer the lot in dispute. What is the asm black powder pistol 44 cal worth? The cannon is in great condition and is serial #146773. Questions encouraged. Appears unfired, excellent condition. Construction is blued steel barrel assembly, trigger, hammer and cylinder, with two piece brass grip frame and main frame. Note: This item is previewed & picked up at Butler County Auction 704 Main, Towanda, KS . Do clownfish have a skeleton or exoskeleton. I am trying to figure out how to upload photos. I've heard the stories of ASM's being of poor quality, however these two .45's are very nice. Stainles Steel a little more. The absence of any reference to the condition of a lot does not imply that the lot is in perfect condition or completely free from wear and tear, imperfections or the effects of aging. A.S.M. Condition: Used, As New Caliber: .44 (other/Cap & Ball) Item #: 917581988 Location: IL The 2nd ASM is a Colt SAA clone, the EMF "Hartford" model. I have had good service from two ASM 1858 Remington clones. Measures approximately 22" in length and wheels are approximately 12" in diameter. brass frame with holster, all cap and ball, Cosmograph Daytona, Ref. Is there any schematics on this part? Seneca may be worth a bit more in the north east than in the mid Terms: Cash, all major credit cards, or good check with positive ID. Used, shows wear and handling, small dings in the area of the cylinder pin end. Barrel is Octagonal, 1/4 inch across the flats, 7 1/2 inch with 7 groove left hand 1:36 rifling. Buying firearms and related items for other people can result in felony charges. Navy Arms .36 Cal Cap and Ball Black Powder Revolver. Neither The High Road nor any of its directors, members, managers, employees, agents, vendors, or suppliers will be liable for any direct, indirect, general, bodily injury, compensatory, special, punitive, consequential, or incidental damages including, without limitation, lost profits or revenues, costs of replacement goods, loss or damage to data arising out of the use or inability to use this forum or any services associated with this forum, or damages from the use of or reliance on the information present on this forum, even if you have been advised of the possibility of such damages. Not Richards Mason, but Richards like Tom Selleck had in "Sabre River". Also, ASM use forged frames instead of castings on many of their revolvers. ASM black powder only Made in Italy side of barrel. 312-374-9333, Tuesday Saturday and its consignor(s) make no warranty or representation, express or implied, that the purchaser will acquire any copyright or reproduction rights to any lot sold. It is a very pretty gun with a 24 octogon barrel and a case hardened receiver. I shot ASM 58's in my early years. I do have to give credit to ASM for the fact that most of their reproductions were historically correct. hello again my good friends , I have a couple sets of BP cap/ball one is a mixed set of open top 1-36 navy and a 44 navy/army and the other is a set of 1858 new army is 44 any how was thinkin of pull-in them out of the safe and maybe doing a tune up ,try to soffen those big springs but don't see any thing on them any more , not a mention , were these "junk " guns .? This was sold and moved to Marietta, OH., and then, in around 1973, was sold to Navy Arms. expressly reserves the right to reproduce any image of the lots sold in the catalogue. I had a few ASMs in the very early days. He knew the early production were quality gun and at some point there was a move and or change of management and quality went in the crapper. I've thought I might make a lamp out of it one day. ASM was one of the first Italian manufacturers back in 1960 along with Uberti. The problem doing that is the bolt finger like the 1st gens was really sharp and the cams on the hammers were soft. The original 1858 was a substantial and reliable piece of machinery as is ASM's quality version offered here. I purchased it new from EMF in 1986. Colonel in Texas Army. --------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------. way to determine actual value is to search the on-line auctions, Kraft Auction Service LLC. Black Powder Serial #: E08571 Finish: Blue / Brass Frame Barrel Length: 8" Markings: "ASM BLACK POWDER ONLY CAL. Please refer to the photographs of this item when assessing its condition. The purchaser agrees to pay Kraft Auction Service LLC. Auction Terms & Conditions Conditions of Sale LENGTH 48". 3.96 16/1860 161860 Black Dial Men's Watch, Art Deco Sterling Mounted Guilloche Enamel Powder Jar, Christian Bag Dior Diorissimo Mini Pink Pebbled Calfskin Leather Tote Bag B521, This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google. You have not registered for this auction. A prospective buyer must complete and sign a registration form and provide identification before bidding. Some lots in the sale are subject to a reserve which is the confidential minimum price below which such lot will not be sold. I'm guessing kit gun. Nice vintage Spain 58 cal. Larry Fisher - 574-298-8909, Auction Terms & Conditions Auction Terms & Conditions Auction Terms & Conditions General Terms: Cash, all major credit cards, or good check with positive ID. I was told by the Chiappa folks, they changed the Armi Sport name to Chiappa because of this confusion. . 918 19 jewel nickel movem, MENS BREITLING GALACTIC 44 BLACK DIAL CHRONMETER A45320 Breitling, A45320 Galactic Stainless Steel Chronmeter, Box, No papers. The original 3rd Dragoons were made with removable stocks and current replicas are . Although The High Road has attempted to provide accurate information on the forum, The High Road assumes no responsibility for the accuracy of the information. Armi San Marco Black Powder Revolvers Expand/Collapse All Categories 1847 Walker 1848 Baby Dragoon 1849 Pocket 1851 Navy Regulator 1873 Remington 1858 Army & Navy Schematic Numrich Gun Parts Corporation 226 Williams Ln. It does not have the asm or other marking typical of them. The auctioneer may open the bidding on any lot below the reserve by placing a bid on behalf of the seller. 104 S. Michigan Ave. .44 caliber, 8" octagonal barrel length, S/N E14163 and E63700. We'll start about there. powder firearms. ASM attempted to revive its percussion revolvers with limited success and finally closed its doors several years back. Thanks for your patience. Kingston, NY 12401 Phone: 866.686.7424 Fax: 877.486.7278 CONNECTICUT VALLEY ARMS .32 CAL BLACK POWDER PERCUSSION MUSKET. and they sent me a Pietta trigger which fit just fine. Trigger pulls at an exceptionally light 1 1/4 pounds with no felt creep. Allen then started Western Arms which became Allen Arms, and then to Cimarron. will only look to the principal for payment. I remember that ASM was sold to American Western Arms who only produces cartridge revolvers. All the original paperwork is from E.M.F. I used to also have an 1858 Remington clone by ASM. You may have a gun worth